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posted April 20, 2010 04:36AM
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Hindi po ako maka-Erap pero linawin lang po naten ito: nagnakaw nga po ba talaga ng pera sa 'kaban' ng bayan si Erap? di ba ang kaso nya ay tungkol sa weteng, di hindi yon galing sa kaban ng bayan dahil pag sinabing 'kaban ng bayan', ito ay patungkol sa buwis o tax naten.
Ano po talaga ang kahulugan ng 'plunder'?

Baket po hindi ginugunita ang EDSA 2 revolution taun-taon? Naisip nga ba ng mga gumawa nito na sila ay nagkamaling suportahan ang nakaupo ngayon kaya walang EDSA 2 celebration every year? Basahin po naten ang inyong mga opinyon:



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Eto po yung plunder law, based on the link: http://www.abogadomo.com/law-professor/law-professor-archives/the-plunder-law stating nothing regarding 'weteng', ''stealing money FROM the government''...yun ang meron dun....

The Plunder Law The most discussed law these days is Republic Act 7080 otherwise known as the law on plunder. Seen as a deterrent to prevent public officials from stealing money from the government, the plunder law was passed in 1991 with the most significant signatory being one Senator Joseph Estrada. In this edition of the Law Professor, we shall now examine the intricacies of the Plunder Law. What is plunder and how is it committed? According to Section 2 of RA 7080, plunder is committed when a public officer who, by himself or in connivance with members of his family, relatives by affinity or consanguinity, business associates, subordinates or other persons, amasses, accumulates or acquires ill-gotten wealth through a combination or series of overt or criminal acts as described in Section 1 (d) of RA 7080 in the aggregate amount or total value of at least Fifty million pesos (P50,000,000.00). In addition, any person who participated with the said public officer in the commission of plunder shall likewise be punished. The criminal acts described in Section 1 (d) are as follows: 1. Through misappropriation, conversion, misuse, or malversation of public funds or raids on the public treasury; 2. By receiving, directly or indirectly, any commission, gift, share, percentage, kickbacks or any/or entity in connection with any government contract or project or by reason of the office or position of the public officer concerned; 3. By the illegal or fraudulent conveyance or disposition of assets belonging to the National government or any of its subdivisions, agencies or instrumentalities or government-owned or controlled corporations and their subsidiaries; 4. By obtaining, receiving or accepting directly or indirectly any shares of stock, equity or any other form of interest or participation including the promise of future employment in any business enterprise or undertaking; 5. By establishing agricultural, industrial or commercial monopolies or other combinations and/or implementation of decrees and orders intended to benefit particular persons or special interests; or, 6. By taking undue advantage of official position, authority, relationship, connection or influence to unjustly enrich himself or themselves at the expense and to the damage and prejudice of the Filipino people and the Republic of the Philippines. In the original version of RA 7080, the offender was liable only if the aggregate amount amassed is at least Seventy-five million pesos (P75,000,000.00) with the corresponding penalty of life imprisonment with perpetual absolute disqualification from holding any public office. However, RA 7659 (The Death Penalty Law) amended Section 2 of RA 7080, and lowered the amount to Fifty million pesos and increased the imposable penalty to death, to wit: Sec. 12. Section 2 of Republic Act No. 7080 (An Act Defining and Penalizing the Crime of Plunder) is hereby amended to read as follows: “Sec. 2. Definition of the Crime of Plunder; Penalties. – Any public officer who, by himself or in connivance with members of his family, relatives by affinity or consanguinity, business associates, subordinates or other persons, amasses, accumulates or acquires ill-gotten wealth through a combination or series of overt criminal acts as described in Section 1 (d) hereof in the aggregate amount or total value of at least Fifty million pesos (P50,000,000.00) shall be guilty of the crime of plunder and shall be punished by reclusion perpetua to death. Any person who participated with the said public officer in the commission of an offense contributing to the crime of plunder shall likewise be punished for such offense. In the imposition of penalties, the degree of participation and the attendance of mitigating and extenuating circumstances, as provided by the Revised Penal Code, shall be considered by the court. The court shall declare any and all ill-gotten wealth and their interests and other incomes and assets including the properties and shares of stocks derived from the deposit or investment thereof forfeited in favor of the State.” Section 4 of RA 7080 also prescribes the method for proving that the crime of plunder was committed. It states that for purposes of establishing the crime of plunder, it shall not be necessary to prove each and every criminal act done by the accused in furtherance of the scheme or conspiracy to amass, accumulate or acquire ill-gotten wealth, it being sufficient to establish beyond reasonable doubt a pattern of overt or criminal acts indicative of the overall unlawful scheme or conspiracy.

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posted April 20, 2010 08:08AM
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computerhazard888 posted on April 20, 2010 03:36AM
Hindi po ako maka-Erap pero linawin lang po naten ito: nagnakaw nga po ba talaga ng pera sa 'kaban' ng bayan si Erap? di ba ang kaso nya ay tungkol sa weteng, di hindi yon galing sa kaban ng bayan dahil pag sinabing 'kaban ng bayan', ito ay patungkol sa buwis o tax naten.
Ano po talaga ang kahulugan ng 'plunder'?

Baket po hindi ginugunita ang EDSA 2 revolution taun-taon? Naisip nga ba ng mga gumawa nito na sila ay nagkamaling suportahan ang nakaupo ngayon kaya walang EDSA 2 celebration every year? Basahin po naten ang inyong mga opinyon:

1) To answer your question, hindi po sya nag nakaw sa kaban ng bayan. Pakana lang yan ng mga gusto paalisin sya sa pwesto. Kung i-trace natin ang meaning ng plunder based on its actual English meaning, it means taking money/tributes/etc illegally or by force. Very obvious naman na jueteng tong =/= government fund... kaya lang naman na convict si Erap ng plunder dahil tulad ng kay Ninoy noon, ang kalaban ni Erap ay ang Justice System mismo na ginawa para i-convict sya.

2) Obviously, dahil alam ng karamihan na pakana yan ng mga elites. Kung na-aalala mo, si Cory, Cardinal Sin at Yasay ay nag sorry mismo kay Erap in public at sinabi nilang maling mali talaga ang EDSA II.

Eto ang katotohanan na hindi matanggap ng karamihan. Nag bubulagbulagan at isinisisi ang kahirapan ng Pilipinas kay Erap. Samantalang ang may kasalanan talaga ay ang mga matataas na sariling interest nila ang iniisip. Ang dahilan ng pag alis ni Erap sa palasyo noong kasagsagan ng EDSA II ay dahil ayaw nya dumanak ang dugo. Nakita mo naman na hindi sya nag deploy ng militar at talagang pinairal nya ang diwa ng democratikong bansa. Doon kumilos ang mga makakaliwa, inaappoint nila si Gloria as acting president samantalang hindi naman pwede mag talaga ng acting president dahil

1) Hindi na Impeach si Erap
2) Hindi nag resign si Erap
3) Hindi namatay si Erap
4) Hindi na incapacitate si Erap

Buhay na buhay at pumapadyak si Erap pero pwersahan nilang ipinakulong samantalang sya parin naman talaga ang President at hindi si Gloria.

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posted April 20, 2010 08:22AM
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sa tingin ko, may probable cause naman ang pagkakulong nya sa tanay, rizal dati.. at may dahilan kung bakit binigyan sa ng absolute pardon.. i think, may kasalanan naman talaga si Erap.. napagbigyan lang..
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posted April 20, 2010 09:06AM
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marlonicd posted on April 20, 2010 07:22AM
sa tingin ko, may probable cause naman ang pagkakulong nya sa tanay, rizal dati.. at may dahilan kung bakit binigyan sa ng absolute pardon.. i think, may kasalanan naman talaga si Erap.. napagbigyan lang..

Plunder ang hatol sa kanya, plunder ang sinasabing kasalanan nya, ang tanong, plunder nga ba talaga? Bayan ang humusga, maraming nag dududa at sasabing maling mali ang hatol sa kanya kaya napilitan si Arroyo na pabanguhin sarili by pardoning Erap. Ikaw ba naman kumalaban sa boses ng masa eh. Ang pinaka cause lang talaga ay dahil kangaroo court ang Sandigang Bayan at wala ng iba.
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posted April 20, 2010 12:05PM
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onlineshoppers posted on April 20, 2010 08:06AM
marlonicd posted on April 20, 2010 07:22AM
sa tingin ko, may probable cause naman ang pagkakulong nya sa tanay, rizal dati.. at may dahilan kung bakit binigyan sa ng absolute pardon.. i think, may kasalanan naman talaga si Erap.. napagbigyan lang..

Plunder ang hatol sa kanya, plunder ang sinasabing kasalanan nya, ang tanong, plunder nga ba talaga? Bayan ang humusga, maraming nag dududa at sasabing maling mali ang hatol sa kanya kaya napilitan si Arroyo na pabanguhin sarili by pardoning Erap. Ikaw ba naman kumalaban sa boses ng masa eh. Ang pinaka cause lang talaga ay dahil kangaroo court ang Sandigang Bayan at wala ng iba.

Very well-said sir. SmileDi lang talaga informed ang mga tao at alam yan ng namumuno ngayon. Pakainin lang ang tao e okey na sa kanila, limot na lahat.

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posted April 20, 2010 12:11PM
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Erap's conviction is a tangible proof na most likely nagnakaw siya sa kaban ng bayan..
after Pres. Cory Aquino, meron ba tayong presidente na hindi nagnakaw ng kahit konti? what more si Erap na may mga document evidence, plus his conviction.
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posted April 20, 2010 12:36PM
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haha oo nga no. parang walang use yung edsa 2
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posted April 21, 2010 03:57PM
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starf1sh posted on April 20, 2010 11:11AM
Erap's conviction is a tangible proof na most likely nagnakaw siya sa kaban ng bayan..
after Pres. Cory Aquino, meron ba tayong presidente na hindi nagnakaw ng kahit konti? what more si Erap na may mga document evidence, plus his conviction.

Any document can be falsified nowadays...dito pa sa 'Pinas, e sa India nga raw e talamak din pero bakit mas progressive sila kesa sa atin??? Surprised
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posted April 21, 2010 04:10PM
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tingin ko hindi naman eh.. para ngang nasiraan lang siya tapos nadala mga tao..

siguro nga pakana ni gloria eto.. para siya maging presidente.. grabe.. check mate si erap ah..
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posted April 21, 2010 06:49PM
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Posibleng kumita nga si Erap nung time nya, pero hindi natin masasabing nagnakaw nga. Kung nakaw ang paguusapan e mas matindi ang ninakaw ni Tabako at ni Pandak. Laughing
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posted April 21, 2010 06:51PM
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johnpaulrabe2986 posted on April 21, 2010 03:10PM
tingin ko hindi naman eh.. para ngang nasiraan lang siya tapos nadala mga tao..

siguro nga pakana ni gloria eto.. para siya maging presidente.. grabe.. check mate si erap ah..

Hehehe, kung baga sa Chess, nag lalaro kayo, biglang turo si Gloria sa likuran ni Erap tapos pag tingin ni Erap sa likod, wala na yung mga piyesa nya. Obvious na obvious ano ang ginawa...
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posted April 23, 2010 04:17AM
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Kung kumita man si Erap sa Jueteng if true hindi yan galing sa kaban ng bayan kundi sa bulsa ng mga sugarol na pilipino.

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posted April 23, 2010 04:19AM
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masyadong sensitive ang ganyang bagay... i rather not to comment about it.
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posted April 23, 2010 04:25AM
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sa tingin ko wala naman syang ninakaw sa kaban ng bayan inamin naman nya na tumanggap sya ng pera sa hueteng,ang problema kinukumpetensya nya si chavit nun kasi ganawa nyan legal ang hueteng thru pagcor and yun yung swertes ata....kaya gumawa ng paraan si chavit at nakakuha sya ng kakampi na ganid sa pera at kapangyarinhan kaya napilitang bimaba si erap nun......
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posted April 23, 2010 04:27AM
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ang totoo sa jueteng ako kumuha ng pera, hindi po ako nagnakaw sa bayan
pakana ng kalaban yan para mapa talsik ako sa pwesto at sila ang pumalit

" a hungry stomach knows no law"

eto po si erap handang sumagot sa mga tanong nyo tungkol sa anomalya sa panahon ng ako ang nanunungkulan

erap for president!!!


eto paborito kong picture nung kinulong nila ko
remembrance ko yan
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posted April 28, 2010 04:58PM
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kokusho05 posted on April 23, 2010 03:27AM
ang totoo sa jueteng ako kumuha ng pera, hindi po ako nagnakaw sa bayan
pakana ng kalaban yan para mapa talsik ako sa pwesto at sila ang pumalit

" a hungry stomach knows no law"

eto po si erap handang sumagot sa mga tanong nyo tungkol sa anomalya sa panahon ng ako ang nanunungkulan

erap for president!!!


eto paborito kong picture nung kinulong nila ko
remembrance ko yan

Tingnan naten ang pulso ng tao sir, kung hindi na naman mabubulagan sa mga ads ng mga tumatakbo o mga binibigay kaya'; whehehehehe. Smile
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posted April 28, 2010 05:00PM
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Sabi nila oo, pero may video siya nag cacasino habang president pa siya
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posted April 28, 2010 05:05PM
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oo naman kasi sabi nga sa Atty. sa T.V. na anu mang galing sa pilipinas ay pag aari ng pilipinas
so kahit jueteng ay galing pilipinas.
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posted April 28, 2010 11:04PM
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arkijob posted on April 28, 2010 04:05PM
oo naman kasi sabi nga sa Atty. sa T.V. na anu mang galing sa pilipinas ay pag aari ng pilipinas
so kahit jueteng ay galing pilipinas.

Mali ang assumption mo ano mang galing sa Pinas ay pag aari ng Pinas. Pano pag binenta ng Pinas sa ibang bansa o sa isang private company na pag aari ng ibang bansa? Pag aari parin ba ng Pinas yon? Hindi na diba? Made in Pinas pwede pa pero ala na sa Pinas ang ownership. But anyway, if you read the first post, you should have been able to understand how wrong the accusation was. Plunder is about stealing from the government fund and jueteng money isn't government fund, is not even tax. You're siding with a Kangaroo Court, biased media and attorneys that don't make any sense.
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posted May 1, 2010 02:27AM
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onlineshoppers posted on April 28, 2010 10:04PM
arkijob posted on April 28, 2010 04:05PM
oo naman kasi sabi nga sa Atty. sa T.V. na anu mang galing sa pilipinas ay pag aari ng pilipinas
so kahit jueteng ay galing pilipinas.

Mali ang assumption mo ano mang galing sa Pinas ay pag aari ng Pinas. Pano pag binenta ng Pinas sa ibang bansa o sa isang private company na pag aari ng ibang bansa? Pag aari parin ba ng Pinas yon? Hindi na diba? Made in Pinas pwede pa pero ala na sa Pinas ang ownership. But anyway, if you read the first post, you should have been able to understand how wrong the accusation was. Plunder is about stealing from the government fund and jueteng money isn't government fund, is not even tax. You're siding with a Kangaroo Court, biased media and attorneys that don't make any sense.

yon lang...wala tayong kampihan dito ha? Ang sa akin e sa totoo lang...careful, careful. Batu-bato sa langit ang tamaan...may bukel, whehehehe.


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johnpaulrabe2986 posted on April 21, 2010 03:10PM
tingin ko hindi naman eh.. para ngang nasiraan lang siya tapos nadala mga tao..

siguro nga pakana ni gloria eto.. para siya maging presidente.. grabe.. check mate si erap ah..

hindi lang 'siguro' sir, talagang madunong lang kasi ang kalaban e; ekonomista ba at maraming koneksyon?...konek-konek lang yan. I-legalized ba naman ang weteng... e maraming nasagasaan, di dun nila tinira; parang kulam lang yan, sa weakpoints ka titirahin kaya di obyus ang sakit mo at dun ka kakatayin.

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posted May 1, 2010 07:44AM
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I like your post very much, because this is the truth. Hindi ako maka erap but people must know kung ano ba talaga ang plunder. Kung ang tao ay nakakaintindi ng batas alam nya na mali ang ginawa kay erap kasi hueteng is not goverment's fund kasi hindi pwedeng maging pondo ng isang bansa ang galing sa isang illegal na pondo. 1997 ng bumagsak ang economyng asia at ang Pilipinas ang unang nakabawi noon and that was the time of Erap. Kaso hindi pa man niya napapatupad ang buong economic reforms nya eh napatalsik na sya sa pwesto ng mga ganid. ANo naman ang ginawa ng pumalit eh di nag nakaw ng nagnakaw ng kaban ng bayan. SO sino ba dapat ang kasuhan ng plunder? Ngayon may EZ2 lotto di ba ganon ang jueteng, ngayon legal na yan. Di ba may lumabas na issue na pati ang PAGCOR eh kinukunan ng pondo ng unang ginoo so talagang sila ang dapat kasuhan ng plunder kasi yong pondo na yan ay government funds na ngayon kasi legal na. YOng pag abswelto kay erap bago pa man sya kasuhan nakatakda na yon kasi yon ang pantakip nila sa maling ginawa nila. Kasi alam nila na wala naman talagang kaso na plunder. Ngayon sa dami ng ginawa ni pandak na pagnanakaw sa bansa gusto nyang nakapwesto pa rin sya kaya nga tatakbong congressman eh di ba.. siya lang naman ang presidente ng pilipinas na after ng term sa pagiging president eh naghangad pa ulit ng posisyon para pangalagaan ang patuloy nyang pagnanakaw. Siya kasi ang papalit na speaker of the house...so makapangyarihan pa rin di ba...DI bale may ganti naman ang nasa ITAAS sa ginagawa nya..Hindi natutulog ang DIYOS....
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