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Makatarungan ba na lagyan ng tax ang SULIT post?

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posted July 30, 2012 11:23PM
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Lalagyan na ng taxes and posting sa sulit at e-bay philippines? Tama ba to mga ka-SULIT? SObra na talaga ang BIR kulang na lang pati hangin na hinihinga mo lagyan ng tax...


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posted July 30, 2012 11:35PM
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dami na nga nai-scam dagdagan pa nila ang pagkakagastusan, naman 'to u.....
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posted July 31, 2012 12:12AM
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Hindi makatarungan dahil ang alam ko... matagal nang nagbabayad ng VAT ang sulit. 

Pero syempre hindi na yan sinasabi ng sulit.com.ph im pretty sure sulit is paying their taxes

as a businessman, i think the computation is 1SG / 1.12 = 89cents (tax is 11cents)

sa madaling salita sa pisong binili mong SG (100cents) 11 cents ay napupunta sa tax

sa 1000SG mong binili - 107.15php ay inereremit ng sulit.com.ph sa BIR

i actually based that on my own business kasi im sure VAT registered ang sulit

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posted July 31, 2012 12:23AM
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 tax when you earn, tax when you spend, tax when you breath :)

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posted July 31, 2012 12:59AM
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georgeteodoro posted on July 31, 2012 12:23AM

 tax when you earn, tax when you spend, tax when you breath :)


Off topic. another PSYCHOTIC episode strongly suspected. take your meds now and see a psychiatrist tomorrow - rain or shine. 


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posted July 31, 2012 01:07AM
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yes thank you and i know and i can prove it too :) Thanks dude :)


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posted August 2, 2012 10:58AM
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Ito yata balita ngayon?

 

Sulit to BIR: Let’s talk first before imposing tax on online traders

MANILA, Philippines — Marie (not her real name) is a 28-year-old housewife from Bicol who sells handmade bags and accessories through the social networking site Facebook.

Just like many women her age, Mariel likes to collect bags, accessories, and other fashion items — a hobby that turned into a business idea, which soon evolved into an online venture.

Today, Mariel re-sells the stuff she bought from other people to the more than 800 fans of his Facebook page, earning additional income for her as she tends to her growing 1-year-old child.

A new drive by the government’s Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR), however, may soon find Mariel, and other small-time online business owners like her, counting fewer profit at the end of each day, as the agency intensifies its efforts to achieve its collection goals.

The renewed initiative was made public by BIR Commissioner Kim Jacinto-Henares in an InterAksyon report on Tuesday, where she pointed out that a vast majority of these online traders do not issue sales invoices for every transaction, which in turn depletes the BIR’s chance of collecting more revenue from taxable transactions.

“This plan will push through hopefully within the year,” Henares said. “Under the rules, online sellers shall be registered as such to the BIR, and that their electronic invoicing shall likewise be registered either directly to us or a third-party accredited by us.”

Online traders are just the latest sectoral group that the BIR had singled out in recent years as it attempts to reach collection goals. Previously, the BIR had made pronouncements that they would be stricter with self-employed individuals who do not fully declare their incomes when paying taxes.

No sales invoice

Just like majority of online sellers in the Philippines, Mariel doesn’t issue a sales invoice or an official receipt whenever she closes a deal through her Facebook business.

“It’s just a hobby,” Mariel told InterAksyon via a Facebook interview. “I don’t earn enough to bother thinking of paying [taxes] for it.”

The same mindset permeates among majority of online entrepreneurs today, Mariel said, who leverages the social aspects of these online websites in order to sell to friends and co-workers before expanding to a wider audience.

“I’m a housewife, I take care of a kid. Most sellers are like that too — walang magawa, mahilig bumili (nothing to do but likes to shop) , and then you realize you can actually resell some of [your purchases],” she added.

Most online selling venues in the Philippines today are as informal as Facebook, where no payment facility is available for sellers and buyers to exchange money with. The exception is Multiply Philippines, which is slowly offering payment gateways — and thus, requires sellers to issue sales invoices — to its growing number of e-Commerce members.

But not all selling platforms are as sophisticated as Multiply. Take the case of Sulit.com.ph, one of the largest online classified sites and is among the most visited websites in the Philippines. With more than 1 million members to date, the site enables thousands of transactions to be made without money passing through its systems

“As an online classifieds, transactions between buyers and sellers do not happen within the scope of Sulit.com.ph,” explained RJ David, co-founder and managing director of Sulit.com.ph, in an interview with InterAksyon. “This also means that payments and the exchange of products do not go through our system.”

It is in this viewpoint that David points out how the BIR might have missed a crucial factor in its efforts to go after online sellers: most of these traders are either one-time or small-time sellers that transact offline, which means they do not earn a recurring or significant profit from their transactions.

David said there should be clear-cut guidelines as to which kinds of sellers will be taxed, instead of just a “blanket” pronouncement coming from the BIR. “Juan does not need to register to BIR just to be able to sell his second hand phone,” he said. “Does Pedro, who has a sideline of selling t-shirts to his classmates to help pay for his college, need to pay tax?”

Scores of Internet users concurred with David’s point. In InterAksyon’s initial report on the matter, enraged commenters pointed out how the BIR seems to be going after the small-time players when big businesses are often overlooked.

“Small time entrepreneurs lang mga yan lalo na yung mga naghahanap buhay through the use of FB (Facebook),” said a commenter named “shady_jersey.” “Mag effort [kayo] sa mga malalaking companies na nalulusutan kayo (make an effort to run after the big companies that get away [from paying taxes])

Another commenter, named Larry Collin, said online sellers like him use services such as Facebook and Sulit because they cannot afford to advertise in major media channels given their meager income from their small businesses.

Benjo Lopez, meanwhile, admitted that there are, indeed, big businesses operating online, but that their ventures also help the economy. “Nag-gegenerate sila ng mga trabaho (They genenerate jobs) (delivery, repair services). Dapat hindi mamatay ang mga yun dahil sa initiative na to (Their initiatives should not die). JOBS instead of TAX Please!” he stresssed.

Sulit.com.ph, the Number 1 Philippine website based on Alexa.com's metrics.

Talk to e-Commerce industry first

Since the online commerce industry is a relatively young sector in the country, Sulit’s David emphasized the importance of carefully proceeding with this tax issue, lest it stunt the growth of e-Commerce in the Philippines altogether.

“We believe e-Commerce is a young industry locally and it has a very big potential to become a major contributor to our economy as what we are now seeing from other countries,” David said. “[But] there are a lot of questions needed to be answered before we can proceed with a proper implementation.”

The Sulit executive said the BIR must engage the e-Commerce industry in conversation on how best to proceed with the implementation of this initiative, since a lot of online sellers will be affected by the BIR’s recent move.

Additionally, avenues for easier processing of BIR requirements and remittance and payments should also be available — preferably online — considering the hassles entrepreneurs must endure just to ensure they pay their proper taxes.

“Since we are talking about the Internet space, these facilities also need to be online, [ones] that can be easily integrated with online transactions,” David said, adding that the government must also work on “improving online services” so that online traders can directly see the benefits of paying the proper taxes.

David also suggested that the BIR should consider lowering the initial amount that it will collect from online traders as well as the application fees so as to spur “mass adoption.” “Don’t make the cost a barrier,” he added.

This is a point Mariel readily agrees with: “I don’t mind registering as long as they make it realistic for hobbyists [and the like], ‘yung beneficial din naman sa sellers, (it should also be beneficial to the sellers)” she explained.

Online marketplaces such as Facebook, Multiply, and Sulit have made it easy for people like Mariel to set up their own small ventures, thanks in particular to the convenience they provide and the opportunity to closely connect with customers.

In a way, these platforms have contributed to the growth of the small and medium enterprise space in the Philippines, which today comprises about 98 percent of all business registrations, according to the Department of Trade and Industry.

These sites have become springboards for small-time entrepreneurs like Mariel to expand their business ideas and move into bigger opportunities. She said the hope is still there that one day, her small online venture would become a “real physical shop,” one that she would actually take pains to register with the government and religiously pay taxes for.

http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/sulit-to-bir-lets-talk-first-before-imposing-tax-on-online-traders


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posted August 2, 2012 11:47AM
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When we buy our things there is tax added to the products paid by the buyers even in internet we pay tax. Kung sa mga post mo ay magbabayad tayo ng tax tapos magbabayad pa tayo ng internet na may tax patong-patong na ang binabayaran nating tax. Sana pag aralan naman ng mabuti ito hindi puro kolekta...
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posted August 2, 2012 12:34PM
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if BIR starts collecting tax from the "barya" that i earn from sulit.com

I guess it's goodbye sulit

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posted October 22, 2012 12:27AM
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Sulit is made for noobie entreps who doesn't have the big bucks to put out a swanky ad on TV, Radio and Broadsheets. Most of these sulitizens don't even make a decent amount per year making a sale in this site.

Also, I use sulit to EXCHANGE objects such as toys and other stuff. Do I have to pay a godawful amount of money to tell people online that I have something to exchange with a different object? Do I get paid doing that? Of course NOT!

What's next? Ebay? The free forums? Blogs? What else are they gonna take away from us?

Well good luck to the BIR doing that. BIR, you are laying down the axe on most people, and the only ones who will benefit posting up on Sulit (if this ridiculous idea pushes thru) are the ones who has more than the rest. You will be destroying Philippine entrep trade and exchange online, the same way your bosses are destroying free speech online. Soon we will be like CHINA where the internet can only be used by the privileged few.

Very socialist-like, isn't it?

Also, good luck on monitoring and policing the site! There are many of us here. Can you observe thousands upon thousands of netizens using sites like sulit? Think of the headaches you guys will be having employing "internet policemen", a LOT of them.

Oh, you might not have the budget of hiring some of these guys in the future because you are going to kill small businesses everywhere!
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posted October 22, 2012 12:59AM
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Next in their agenda: street vendors to register their business so that BIR can monitor how many fishballs and peanuts they sold  emoticon


I think BIR notice that many are into online selling now. Many are gaining more income in online deals because they were able to sell their products with a competitive price without paying taxes and they have low expenses.

Customs and BIR have the same goals. TAXES...

You imported goods, you paid tax in Customs then in selling you will need to pay BIR taxes naman....This will definitely affect small businesses...Tax in the beginning, tax in the end....

But still Philippines is a POOR country...

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posted October 22, 2012 01:14AM
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there are many kinds of taxes already in place, there is a hefty tax when you earn, up to 32% income tax .....a tax called vat when you spend, 12% which complicates and compounds, toll fees, service fees, vehicle registrations, property tax, inheritance tax, interest tax, when you sell, capital gains tax, when you pay your bills, vat. when you buy gasoline or basic things like food or even medicines etc etc, and of course they want more...travel tax, airport tax, seaport tax, documentary tax, and those who pay the heaviest get the least benefits, coz they have thier own private roads, in subd, never go to public hospitals or public help cause they rely on private , private schools etc, etc. so maybe it pays to be poor, or to save as if you were really really poor, there is no savings tax ...... or making tipid tax

playing sim city with these taxes in place heheh

so as a good citicen we just obey big brother, and hope he takes care of us, the only place to LESSEN taxes is trying to get off the grid or farming, producing your own needs .

but still taxes is sure as death as they say


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posted October 22, 2012 01:29AM
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hilig nila maglagay ng tax sa kahit ano. hay.

burden of the people talaga ang tax.
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posted October 22, 2012 02:14AM
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My professor in High School used to call BIR a "syndicate". "Big Time Government syndicate" .

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posted October 22, 2012 02:19AM
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Well, ancient times pa lang kasi talagang may tax na.

its a burden kasi wala ka namang directly napapala sa isang bagay na sapilitan mo kailangan bayaran.

but there are some indirect effects, and siguro thats what they are referring to.
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posted November 28, 2012 02:20AM
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hindi ko talaga lubos maisip na bakit parati na lang na mga small/newbie players ang pinag-iinitan ng gobyerno(of course kasama ang bir), karamihan kung hindi man lahat ay hindi kumikita ng ganuon kalaki. they should talk with the e-commerce community first before sila magsagawa ng kung anu mang implementasyon. i have nothing against paying taxes. considered na bang OR ang pirasong papel na binigay ng may ari ng malaking store sa kanto? hehe... may advice ako sa BIR, tax nyo ang simbahan, maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang laki ng kikitain nyo este ng gobyerno. Promise. Siguro in 20 years bayad na lahat ng utang ng bansa. Well, naisip ko lang kasi bagot na utak ko wala pa me benta.
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posted November 30, 2012 12:39AM
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Hindi ba ito lang ang paraan para naman makakita ang mga nahihirapan sa pera? Kung lalagyan na ng tax ng gubyerno ang lahat ng bagay - wala nang makakaahon. :)) Panay sila "tutulungan namin ang mahihirap" BS xD

Balita ko pati daw eBay.ph balak nilang patuparan neto - eBay.uk merong license to sell lahat ng tao at required un by law, wag nilang gayahin iyon dahil bilang ang may kaya dito sa Pilipinas. :D Pati kamo mayayaman, umiiwas sa taxes. :)
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posted December 27, 2012 08:30PM
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Ok lang naman magtax pero pag aralan naman nila ng mabuti. I just inquire last month kung paano magkaroon ng Official Receipt (OR) which automatically imposed 12% VAT and nakakadiscourage sya para sa kagaya nating small time online seller. It's a long process and expensive. Imagine just to get a valid OR, you have to apply to the following offices with corresponding fees: Subdivision certification (500); Brgy Permit (500); Mayor's Permit (2,500); DTI Business Registration (300); BIR (1,500+); Printing of OR min. quantity(4,000). Di pa kasama yung pamasahe at pabalik-balik mo sa mga offices para lang makuha yung mga requirements ng BIR. They are killing E-Commerce at it's early stage.
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posted December 27, 2012 09:06PM
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techpoint27 posted on December 27, 2012 09:30PM
Ok lang naman magtax pero pag aralan naman nila ng mabuti. I just inquire last month kung paano magkaroon ng Official Receipt (OR) which automatically imposed 12% VAT and nakakadiscourage sya para sa kagaya nating small time online seller. It's a long process and expensive. Imagine just to get a valid OR, you have to apply to the following offices with corresponding fees: Subdivision certification (500); Brgy Permit (500); Mayor's Permit (2,500); DTI Business Registration (300); BIR (1,500+); Printing of OR min. quantity(4,000). Di pa kasama yung pamasahe at pabalik-balik mo sa mga offices para lang makuha yung mga requirements ng BIR. They are killing E-Commerce at it's early stage.

 

                             Medyo yung nag aad vice ay hindi ginagala ang sarili at huwad  ang pag malasakit sa mga Taong maliiit.

               Sa On line selling ay natututo ang mga kabataan na Hidi maging batugan , mapawerwisyong puro tambay at pala inum

               at inuubos ang oras sa mga internet games .. Natutunan ng mga kabataan kung pano paghirapan ang pagkita Ng salapi

               at hindi na lang umaasa sa magulang.  Sa isang katulad ko na halos ay dapat magpapasyal pasyal na lang diyan

              sa Q.C. circle ay napipilitan pang mag pakapagpod magbuhat at wag isipin ang aking idad . Waaalllllaaaa akong

              ibabayad  sa naaaaaappppaaaakkaaaammmmaaaahal  na kuryente at T ooooo  bigggg  .Bukud pa sa mga Gaas na pangluto

              at mahal na pagkain .Survival na halos kulangin pa ang kakarampot na kinikitadahilan ay  halos lahat ay hindi rin makabili

              malawak na  walang trabaho. Ultimo noodlles na inuulam ng mga nagdarahop mating mamayan ay di na maabot dahil

              sobrang minahalan.

                            Samantalang sa  sa Divisoria at bumili ka mga Divisoria Mall 168  ay bibigyan ka Ng resibo na One fourth

             pad paper  na pinamili mo at kung magkano  iyon na!  pag ang iyong nabili ay depecto at iyong pinapalitan ay aawayin ka pa ng 

             itinituring nilang INVESTORS at pag sinuwerte ka pa ay pabubugbug ka pa sa kanilang  goons na pilino alipin.

                            Etong ganitong kalakaran ay matagal ng nagaganap panahon pa ng dating admin hangang ngayon ay

             nagpapatuloy at  nadagdagan pa ng ibat ibang malalaking mall na katulad  999.

                           Taksang taksang Pailaw at mga papurtok na Puros China na One fourth pad paper nagaganap ang pagnenegosyo

            na itnuturing nilang INVESTORS kaya sa News ay Dapat tulungan daw ng China ang Pinas dahil itoy parte ng kanilang pag aari.

                           Kaya ang ibang opisyal ay mahal na mahal kaya palalahapin tayo ng Usok na mapamuksang Chemikals at peligrong 

            idinidulot nito  kapalit SA SIGARIRLYO NA PINATAY ANG KABUHAYAN NG FARMERS .   Mabuhay ang Tiga sulsol at sinusuwelduhan

            upang pahirapan aNG LAHAT NG MAMAMYAN  na pati yung pinipilit maghanapbuhay na hindi namemerwisyo ng kababayan.

                                                    Mabuhay kayo mga tiga sulsol , sana maipatso kayo sa laki ng inyong mga suweldo.

 

                     Kung Ako ! pababayaan ko ang mga nanininigarilyo kahit kaha kaha pa ang inyong hititin . buhay nila iyan . (wala

           ka pang Sinikil na mga Farmers )  Kung gusto nilang magkasakit ay may isip Naman sila.

                     Pero ang ALAK  ! Kahit pa 100  Percent ninyo pa. matutuwa pa ako. Wala na sigurong mag iinuman sa KALYE at

         mangungursunada ng kawawang mamayan. Wala ng Mag aalmuSal ng Alak at Mababawasan ang Krimen  dulot ng ALAK .

                             MABABAWASAN ANG MGA BATUGAN .

 

                             Sana naman ay Lalong umunlad ng Buhay ng tiga sulsol ng Sila lang ang nagpapasasa ng kanilang suweldo .

               Manuod ka naman ng Real time ni J Taruk para kahit  kaunti man lang maimulat mo ang iyong kunsensiya  at ipinuwesto 

               ka at sumahod na napakalaki  para lkang pahirapan ang iyong naglulupasay sa hirap ng iyong kababayan.

               Malay mo ang mga  IYONG INVESTORs na minamahal at puros tax free .baka bigla tayong sakupin sa tamang panahon

               ng putukan.,

                 

      

            

       


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posted December 30, 2012 10:12AM
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Ang papa-unlad na bansa dapat nababawasan ang tax, hindi pinaparami ang tax..

Sabi nga sa news, unti-unti ng umuunlad ang Pinas, sa katunayan nakapag pautang pa nga

ang Pinas sa ibang bansa gaya ng Spain.

Dapat siguro mag hinay-hinay ang BIR tungkol sa usaping ito. Hindi po milyun-milyun ang 

kinikita ng ibang online sellers, ang karamihan dito, parang sideline lang ang pagbebenta.

Hindi makatarungan ang tax na ito.  Ano po sa palagay nyo mga ka-Sulit.

 

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posted December 30, 2012 12:01PM
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panahon na siguro pa rebisahin ang paraan ng pagbubuwis ng hindi patong patong ang tax na binabayaran natin.dapat yung mga company lang ang may tax at hindi na kumuha sa bawat mamamayan.
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